#328: Dreena Burton - Aging Stronger and Unlocking Pain-Free Movement with Fascia Flo
Rip is joined by longtime plant-based powerhouse Dreena Burton—but this time, she's not here just to talk recipes. Dreena is venturing into new territory with Fascia Flo, her movement-based program designed to help people unlock mobility, reduce pain, and reconnect with their bodies.
Dreena opens up about her personal journey with injury and the surprising discovery that reshaped her healing: fascia—the body’s primary connective tissue system. She explains how fascia influences everything from mobility and posture to pain, emotional well-being, and even how we age. Through simple, intentional movements, Fascia Flo helps lengthen, strengthen, and hydrate fascia so listeners can feel lighter, freer, and more responsive in their everyday lives.
Dreena and Rip also touch on the nutrition side of well-being—seasonal eating, favorite family recipes and innovations in nut-free and oil-free cooking (hello pumpkin seeds).
Whether you’re an athlete, someone dealing with stiffness or chronic pain, or simply curious about feeling better in your body, this episode offers insights that can truly transform the way you move through life.
You’ll Learn:
Fascia is the primary connective tissue that shapes and supports the entire body.
Healthy fascia enhances mobility, reduces pain, and improves overall well-being.
Consistent movement is essential to prevent stiffness and keep fascia responsive.
Fascia Flo uses targeted exercises to lengthen, hydrate, and engage fascia effectively.
Nutrition—including seasonal and whole-food plant-based eating—supports fascia health.
Dreena’s personal journey with injury ignited her passion for fascia and movement therapy.
Fascia health is deeply connected to both emotional and physical experiences.
Training with “instability” helps the body adapt, strengthen, and respond to life’s demands.
Love, connection, and the energy we share impact our overall health and healing.
Episode Resources
Learn more about Dreena’s Fascia Flo
Watch the Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/15vo0E_WMx0
Learn more about Fascia Flo: https://fasciaflo.com/join/
Dreena’s Food Website: https://dreenaburton.com/
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I'm Rip Esselstyn and you're listening to the Plant Strong Podcast. We know and love Dreena Burton for her incredible cookbooks and her recipes that have fueled so many of us on our plant-based journeys. But today Dreena is stepping into a whole new space with FASHA Flow. This is her new program. It's dedicated to helping us unlock mobility, reduce pain,
and move with freedom as we age. Whether you are an athlete, a weekend warrior, or if you just want to feel better in your own body, this conversation is really going to inspire you to rethink how you care for your fascia and your overall health. We'll get into the flow right after these words from Plant Strong.
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I want you to get ready with me because 2026 is going to be our biggest Plant Strong event year ever. We'll be kicking things off in April with our Black Mountain Retreat. This is six days of learning, movement, and incredible Plant Strong Fair, all nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains outside of Asheville, North Carolina. Then in June, we debut Vital Signs 2026. This is all about real change.
real food and real medicine. It's a brand new Food is Medicine Conference. It'll be located at Case Western Reserve University, which is where Essie went to medical school and is in my hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. Then this fall, the big one, Plant-Stock returns in person to Black Mountain, North Carolina for our 15th annual celebration. And then we'll be closing out the year with the majestic
Red Rocks as our backdrop at our Sedona retreat, this is the ultimate reset to wrap up your year. So it's all about community, connection, and real food that creates real change. Simply visit planstrong.com and then click on events for all the details. And I hope to see you at one of these epic events. Today, I am joined by my dear friend, Dreena Burton.
She is someone who has already made a massive impact on the plant-based world with her cookbooks and delicious family-friendly recipes. But I think one of the things that I love most about Dreena is that she is always evolving, she's always growing, and always sharing what she learns with our community. Her newest project, called Fascia Flow, is a website and movement program built around
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One of the most overlooked systems in our body are fascia. And this connective tissue plays a huge role in how we move, how we recover, and even how we feel day to day. Grena has taken her personal journey with injury and healing and turned it into a resource to help all of us gain mobility, reduce stiffness, and feel younger at any age. In this conversation, we dig into why fascia matters.
how simple movement can unlock so much freedom in our bodies, and how fascia flow is going to be a game changer for anyone who wants to thrive in their planned strong life, not just on the plate, but in how we move. And PS, you're going to even hear her put me through a couple of movements that we can all follow along together. So with that, welcome back, Drena.
Adrena Burton, welcome back to the PLANTSTRONG podcast. It has been a minute or two, hasn't it? Just a few.
Just a few. Well, yeah, I'm delighted to be back. I love your Instagram videos. I have to tell you, like, I just, I love what you're doing on social. It's great stuff.
Well, thank you very much. I mean, for, for those of you that don't know, Dreena, she is one of the OGs of the plant-based movement had her on the podcast. was episode 112. Dreena we're now in like episode 300 and maybe 15 or 20. So like I said, it has absolutely been a while. And Dreena, if I'm not mistaken, you've written six different books, correct?
Speaker 1 (05:05.218)
Yeah, six solo books and then I co-authored two with Dr. Barnard. Right. I've done some e-books and I've done some e-books specific to the fashion work which we can talk about because it correlates with organs in the body and which correlate with seasons of the year in Chinese medicine. So I've done that kind of work as well. But yeah, that's been my printed book history.
Yeah. And you wrote your first book in 2001, which is, I mean, way before so many people. mean, you were, you were truly one of the first trailblazers in 2001, like, you know, you and John McDougal and, you know, Nathaniel Pritikin. It's kind of crazy.
That's really, that's an honor to hear, but I was just kind of doing my thing. was back in the day, I sort of feel like, honestly, bringing this work out there is kind of how I felt when I was there with Plant Based Food back in 2000. It was like, no one was talking about it. People didn't understand it, know what it was. And yet I knew in my heart and soul that it was where I needed to be and,
that my family would be doing, know, living on this diet and that I wanted to create recipes and share it with the world, that kind of thing. yeah, it feels like a lifetime ago almost. We were babies.
I I know it's crazy. So I want to talk to you today about something that you've become really, really passionate about, and that is fascia. I can't wait to learn more about fascia because I know that I need help, right? I just absolutely, I can feel it in my fascia and my bones and my muscles and my neck and my heel and my back. So I need, I need your help.
Speaker 2 (06:57.62)
And then, before we, and I also want to talk about a few recipes because what would a conversation with you be without talking about food?
I do in class most days. Just to say, when I teach my fashion classes on Zoom, we always talk about food somewhere along the way. So fair enough.
Wow. What a bonus. But before we get into that, I just want to check in with you. Like, I really adored our last conversation. And just to kind of fill people in a little bit, your background, you're Canadian. If I'm not mistaken, you're still currently living in the Vancouver area. But you grew up in Newfoundland.
Yep, way to go.
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which was crazy. And you had five, you were five sisters. You were one of six girls. yes, yes, yes. All D names. And you, you talked so highly of, of your mother and just what a, what a precious human being, what a kind human being.
All D names.
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how she just led with kindness she was. And the horrific helicopter crash, I think when you were 11, when you lost your father. so I just wanted to like, and I know that your mother passed away in August and I want to extend my condolences. And just like, you know, if you're okay with it, just check in to see.
You know, it's been over a month now, I would imagine, and how are you doing?
Thank you. Thank you. I feel like she's coming through right now, honestly, that you've mentioned that. Yeah, it was a rough road. End of July, she started to take it. She wasn't in good health for more than a year, a couple of years, and she was in a lot of pain. And one of the goals that I wanted to do with my work with FasciaFlow, because I'm...
certified in level one and two in what's called resistance stretching. But there's another part of that work where you can work to move other bodies. So they are resisting and you're moving them in space and it changes the fashion in time, you can start to take pain stiffness out of the body. But I wasn't credited in that. And so I didn't want to delve into that without having that level of training.
but she was in a place where, where she was just kind of living on a chair, unfortunately, and looking out the window, she was still very grateful for every moment. but when her health started to turn down and it happened quickly, she was in the hospital, we thought she was getting better and then it was a downturn and I knew in my gut, was like, I've got to get back. So I went back that day.
Speaker 1 (10:06.15)
And it's a pretty long, like it's a day of travel and it's four and a half hours time difference. So you're kind of like thrown really out of your system. And when I arrived at the hospital, I went there right away. It was early in the morning, but I just wanted to let her know I was there because I didn't know how long she'd have. And she didn't really come out of sleep. I just told her I was there and that I was going to shower and come back. And I did. And when she woke,
She smiled and looked at me and she said, I'm dying, you I knew and we talked and we cried and I had special, special moments. So I was there for a couple of days while, you know, she was passing and it was heartbreaking and yet so precious to have those moments because I didn't have it with my dad, you know. The difference is that
When you grow up with your parents, you know them as adults and you have that connection with them as adults versus losing a parent as a child, you only know them as a child. So it's a very big kind of space in your heart that is as we would FaceTime every day. And so still in the day, sometimes something happens like
You know, one of my daughters, like my youngest is a swimmer as you were, you know, we had races when my mom was in the hospital, she had races that weekend. And so I went back myself because I wanted her to have her time. And she said, you know, she's going to do great. And so we'd always call every day and give her updates and anything that was going on, know, flowers in the garden or whatever. So we have that part that's missing, but I know she's with me and I have signs all the time.
Mmm
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So thank you for asking and acknowledging. It means a lot.
Yeah, no, mean, well, you're welcome. But you know, you're it sounds like your your mother was a force of kindness until the absolute last second asking people, you know, how are you doing? And, you know, there's not there's not enough people like that. And so it sounds like a very, very special woman.
Very special doctors were floored really. And she would tell the young nurses that they were so good looking too, know, male nurses would come in and she says, you're so handsome. I'm like, mom, she didn't lose it out. She was sharp the whole time.
And you mentioned your youngest daughter. if I'm not mistaken, both of our youngest daughters are named Hope. That's right. Yeah, too cool. And how old is your hope? OK, she's 16. My hope is 11. So she's a lot, well, few years younger than yours and also a swimmer.
Yeah, too cool.
Speaker 1 (12:59.446)
She's 16.
Speaker 1 (13:10.03)
Okay, okay. What's her favorite? No, is mine.
She loves butterflies.
How about that? All right.
100 fly and people like why do do that race? And she just she means she says I don't love it mom, but she does well at it. Yeah.
Well, that's a brutal event, the 200 butterfly, whether it's yards or meters.
Speaker 1 (13:32.75)
That's right, because we're different.
Yeah. All right. Well, let's let's jump in because I think just for the members of the audience, I have done a kind of a deep dive into Dreena's website, your special fascia flow website. And it is it's really remarkable all the information that you have and how important the fascia is. So I think I think for starters,
you should just educate us as well as you can, right? On a podcast, you know, in 45 minutes on like, why should we care about the fascia? Like, I don't even know what it is.
Well, in all your podcasts, has it ever come up? Right? Have you ever heard from you? I don't know.
I just know that right now I've got a severe case of plantar fasciitis.
Speaker 1 (14:33.782)
I've got the move for you. I to, I will show it to you. Okay. We'll, we'll talk about that. So yeah, let's go right back to the beginning. So a lot of us have heard the term fascia because we hear about ways to do myofascial release, right. And get after pain points. It's so much more than that. Fascia is our primary tissue from the moment we begin as an embryo, it is the first tissue and we form within it.
in the whole. So we begin to grow within the fascia and it is our one fabric. We're actually one fabric and we, you know, have been schooled to think of the body as parts, kind of like we look at nutrition very like disrupted in a way, you know, we need to like isolate this nutrient or whatever. When, you know, when you talk about whole foods eating in that wholeness, we grow in wholeness.
And the fascia, you if you take your hand and slide your skin, that's what we call our superficial fascia. It's right under the skin. And some people would know that analogy, for instance, of, you know, back in the day, if they ever ate meat or chicken and they would see that very shimmery layer under the skin, well, that's fascia. So that's what we think most of us, what fascia is, but it's far more because it wraps every muscle.
organ, nerve, it wraps our spinal cord. We have fascia that encases our brain, but beyond that, it permeates these tissues. So not only does it surround our muscles, it permeates and surrounds every muscle fiber. So we think of our muscles like when we cut an orange and you see all those little segments, they're like fibers of the muscle. And you can see there's little encasings around every segment in that orange. That's like the fascia.
It is literally our form. If we took everything out of the body, our bones, our muscles, it would all to the floor. We'd still have our shape. It tells our life story. It speaks to our experiences. If we've had trauma in an area, whether that's physical or emotional, we can have scar tissue, which is very densified fascia. And this is what leads to a lot of immobility and pain. So it really is.
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our primary tissue that is us. It's our proprioception. So you know, when you're sitting and someone comes up behind you and you haven't looked, but you know there's someone back there, that's because our fascia is speaking. It has our proprioceptive quality of our being in space. And it's also our interoception, what's happening within ourselves when we feel something going on inside and we go, hmm, we know the cold is coming or something's brewing in the body.
Sometimes people know something's not quite right in their system and they can't put their finger on what it is. This is the signaling in the fascia. So it responds faster than the nervous system. And sometimes, for instance, I just want to mention, you know, as we age and we have this risk of falling and we worry about falling, well, if we improve our fascial health, it improves our proprioception, which is that reactive time and our balance and responding.
to what's happening in our environment. Our fascia is also housing our lymph, our lymphatic system, and it's our electrical signaling. So some of us know about grounding, like when we go out and put our feet on the grass or get into the ocean and that DC current of the body. Well, that's because we have this electrical spark, which Chinese medicine would refer to as qi.
It's electricity basically moving through the body through energy pathways, meridians that the Chinese medicine discovered, you know, thousands of years ago. And this is moving through the fascial pathways. Well, if the fascia is restricted, energy flows in the path of least resistance. So if we have any restrictions, the fascia is not flowing very well. So those energy meridians that are maybe going to our liver or our pancreas.
pancreas is linked to plantar fasciitis. That's the organ and the meridian pathway. It's so fascinating. I geek out. Then the energy's not flowing well. So when we keep the fascia healthy, it provides the energy flow to all of the systems in the body, circulatory, digestive, like everything in the body is connected through the fascia. The fascia is the great unifier, but it's also protecting and separating.
Speaker 1 (19:13.962)
So we have our respiratory system separate from our digestive system, separate from the elimination system. We don't want those things mixing and that's the fascial housing. So it's a beautiful primary essential tissue that we don't take care of. if you don't take care of, we strength train and we stretch and we need to talk about stretching, but we don't take care of the fashion. It's like, if you never brushed your teeth, what would happen?
I guess what I you know what I'm
I just do a lot of you.
No, but I'm sitting here and my my jaws on the ground because.
I buy a hundred percent of what you're laying down, right? And I'm just surprised that like stretching, strength training, aerobic activity, that are you saying that none of that specifically identifies and works the fascia? In order to work the fascia, you have to do specific fascia exercises.
Speaker 2 (20:21.902)
Or flow is that right?
Yes. mean, the hair, our fashion, our fashion will be healthier for moving because when we're sedentary, the body wants to be energy efficient. And most of us live like this now or like this with a phone. And it's very, it's a lot of expenditure of energy on the body to stay in a position. That's not very natural. So if we're typing or like this for an hour, three hours, even if we're taking breaks, we continue to come back here. The body saying, okay,
I hear you, you need to be in this position. So let's make it easier. So let's lay down some fibers that hold some stiffness there to make it easier to hold you. And then come up out of it. And yes, we feel stiff, but we do this day after day after day. Then that our body's forming, we're literally forming our shape. It's like, we know sometimes we see someone coming towards us that we haven't seen their face, but we know who it is based on their shape.
And it's the patterns of our lives that are filling, basically morphing our fascia, but we can interface with it to change it. so strength training, it's not that it's not good, it's good. It has its place, but it's a lot of compression and compounding on the body. And if we're not going into takeout density, so what, and I want to talk about stretching and let's talk about it now because I like to use this analogy of us.
If you don't mind, if you don't mind, really before we do that, I want to I want to understand. want to go I want to go back a little bit and I want to understand.
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Who introduced you to fascia and the importance of fascia? And when did you get so into it?
Excellent question. Excellent. So I, as you know, I used to teach yoga and I taught yoga for many years. I did yoga for decades. I've done all kinds of different exercises over the years, know, aerobics and strength training and Pilates and yoga and all the things. and I ate well, of course, and I still had pains into my forties. And this is usually when it hits us in our forties, fifties and beyond. I started having not
general inflammation in the body because my diet was good but specific pain points and it really pissed me off because I was doing all the right things and people are saying take turmeric so I'm taking turmeric supplements I'm eating more kale which I love the kale but it didn't take away the pain so I went to a chiropractor physio prolotherapy where they inject with a naturopath inject like healing components into the tissues
did dry needling, you name it. I did it. And nothing really one resolved everything or kept it in any sustainable manner. The best was proler therapy where they inject. But after about two weeks, I could start to feel things come back. And I'm like, I'm back to square one. So I found this online. I had started learning Yin yoga as it relates to Chinese medicine. I was doing extensive training in Yin yoga.
in terms of Chinese medicine. And I started to learn about fascia and energy meridians and those components. And then I found a link through Facebook about fascia. there's, so this movement comes out of the studies of a man named Bob Cooley. He's in California and he trains, mostly he works with like high level celebrities and athletes now, but he also, you know, works with people in the area, but they do what
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we talked about mostly this moving bodies in space. So they bring four or five guys in to help move the body because when you resist, when you engage in this way, the fascia has more force than the muscle fibers. So it is so strong and that's why it's so resistant when we interface with it. So he was badly injured. He was hit by a car as a pedestrian and he spent
years trying to heal himself. And he noticed that when animals stretch, they don't do what we do. What we do is we find tension and range, and then we try to go past it. Right? We what we find what's called like a muscle creep, and then we keep going past that range. That's our range of motion. It's not our flexibility. We need to talk about that too. He noticed animals.
they put their paws or dogs and cats, they put their paws on the ground, they pull, they find an engagement and then they move with it. It's called pandiculation. So he discovered that he realized muscles need to contract to then stretch, to then lengthen. So I don't like to call this stretching because people know stretching to be lengthening, just lengthening. And that creates micro tears in the tissues.
And over time, the body, again, if we're stretching every day, going to classes and doing the same movements, the body keeps laying down fibers because we're destabilizing in the joint, laying down fibers, it becomes tough and we're stiff. We do it again because we're stiff and we keep going back and forth because it feels good. The lengthening feels good. Endorphins are released. But when we come to our natural edge, that's the nervous system saying, hey, stop and we bypass it.
So he learned this in his own body and developed a system. So I trained with him, I trained with his trainers. And basically what we're doing is pandiculation throughout the entire body. We shorten the muscle, we find the contraction. It's like a loaded E-centric contraction. And then we lengthen through it. It keeps the joints out of play. It takes pain and stiffness out of the body.
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I now, you know, the first time I realized it was working for me, I was driving and I'd always have that moment when I'd look over my shoulder where there was pain, right? Like, and I turned and I went, what happened? And I realized this was working and it was only after the course of about three weeks or so. So was really significant. I felt a huge pull from my soul, like to just take a deep dive. So I traveled just when like,
Things were opening up after COVID. I traveled to Boston to study with Bob, and then I studied more with his team and took a deep dive, trained a lot. And I just love sharing it now, because I now see my clients, my members have results like I did.
Yeah, it's, um, to me, it makes a lot of sense. Is it, is it, have you ever heard of something called, uh, proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation? Is it, is it at all similar to that or completely different animal?
It looks like it, think it's like it, but it's not. Because what they do there is they find your end range, and then they look at it and further.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (27:40.62)
And then you engage and then you relax and you engage and then you relax. Yeah.
We find shortened. for instance, I like to give the, I'm just going to push back. I like to give the bicep curl, you know, because we all know the bicep curl. So we shorten, we find our contraction and then we can do a couple right here. Let's do a couple right here. So I'm going to mirror you. Let's take your right hand as your bicep. Make your bicep curl. Now bring your left hand in to the inner wrist.
Now keep trying to pull in with the right hand and use your left to draw away, push away, keep going. And then when you feel the resistance weighing, you let it go and you come back in and you do another rep. So this is what it is. The flow, FLO stands for flex or contract. And observe, and then we repeat. And if we keep doing that now,
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:40.942)
If you were to max out your contraction here, if you were to pull in all you could, someone would try to move your arm and they wouldn't be able to because the fascia has that tensile strength. But so you have to dial it down to like a three or four out of 10 to move through space. But if we were to continue to do this for like 10 or 12 reps, then you'd have this. Just notice your arm, notice your shoulder, your
elbow, you just feel energy moving. You start to feel spaciousness and that's what it's doing in the body because the fascia, the fascia wants to glide. It's meant to glide. It's like when we're kids, we have this rebound, kind of capacity. were spring loaded. Everything feels good in the body. And then at some point the fascia starts doing this, not gliding, but and we're moving within it, but it's restricted. we want to
back the blood, it removes the density, we feel space in the joints, our posture improves, there's energetic benefits, digestive, immune health, sleep and more. Yeah.
And so we just did our biceps. When you teach a class, is a class typically an hour? How long is a class?
Usually what I do is usually on Thursdays, that's our main live class of a full body flow. So I, what we do is we have eight major muscle groups in the upper body, eight in the lower body. They're related to organ pairs and Chinese medicine. So in a moment, when you're ready to do another demo, let me know and we'll, do something for the shoulder and that as it relates to the season and then eight in the lower body. we'll cycle through all of those and then
Speaker 1 (30:30.572)
the second class of the week on Sundays, we tend to do something a little more specific. So we may do something like what I call a balancing flow. So if you have something going on in the shoulder joint, there are two flows that are really beneficial for the shoulder joint being large intestine and lung. So what we'll do is we'll go back and forth and do large intestine lung and cycle back and forth. Sorry, we have garbage trucks coming through here.
and do flows to really dig into that area and get a great result. So we do different classes and sometimes we do knee friendly where we're on the chair, not on the mat. We might do hamstrings a lot because the hamstrings have a huge say in what's happening in the body. They change the tilt of the pelvis, which sets up the spine and we all have density in our hamstrings. So it can affect the shoulders, neck, knees, ankles. Yeah.
Yeah, isn't that something? I'll just speak for myself. I know that I am in a chair a lot more than I want to be these days. And my hamstrings, especially where they seem to connect into my gluteus, seem to be chronically tight. And I know that you've said in reading your information in some of your blogs that the hamstrings have some of the most dense fascia in our bodies. And I've become a huge
fan of pickleball. I find a lot of that, you know, stopping, starting and stuff. My hamstrings are not enjoying it and they're, I'm tweaking them here and there and I have to be careful about that.
Yeah, and that makes sense. I play tennis and when I play tennis, I come back and do some flow because it takes the wear and tear out of the body afterwards. That's how I like to describe it. The other thing is with this movement, it enhances your sports performance. Yeah, because you have then when the fashion is taking up real estate, we lose access to our strength. So we get better muscle performance because
Speaker 1 (32:43.66)
When we take out the dense fascia, the muscle's able to contract better. And that's all our muscles are doing all the time is contracting to move. So people who are in athletics, they need their muscles to contract well. And this is what allows them to contract well. The muscles when contracted tense, tense, pardon me, they tension the fascia. So that's how it's changing the fascia. Cause with that contracted movement, we're pulling in the fascial fibers and then
with the elongation, anything that's dry and brittle starts to get sloughed away. And then there's reconfiguring. And this was studied, by the way, by Bob with a famous fascia expert, Jean-Claude Guimberteau. He studied fascia in the living body through endoscope to see the fibers. There's a video you can look at. It's called Strolling Under the Skin on YouTube.
and you can see the fascial fibers. It's beautiful. It looks like a web of sorts. So they studied in vivo with an endoscope under the skin. One of the trainers did a, like a hamstring, know, contracted the hamstring to see what would change in the body, like a strength training movement. And it didn't have any significant change in the fascial fibers. And then they did a traditional stretch movement and it didn't have any.
significant to partial fibers. When they engaged and elongated, they could see the reconfiguration of the fibers. And then the next day they went back in and saw that again, it was still reconfiguring as we sleep when we repair. So it's really
So, so it sounds like this fascia flow is, it's elongating while the muscle is engaged.
Speaker 1 (34:37.005)
You engage and elongate with the engagement. got it.
Yeah, because I think I don't know, like, you know, there's these terms like a eccentric contraction and a concentric. And so I just I don't think most people understand what's going on and what that means. So I think we should try and keep this as simple as possible so people can grasp the concepts that you're
that you're doing here. Yeah.
You're basically starting with the muscle shortened as much as possible and that's contracting it. And then we keep it engaged. we, pull it in, we keep engaging it as we lengthen. can think of resisting the lengthening. So if you're thinking about any lengthening move you're doing, like in yoga or something else, you're resisting that process.
Do you, is there something that you can teach us right now? Like, is there a neck stretch you do or not? Because my left side of my neck is chronically, I wake up in the morning sometimes, I'm like, what? Did I have a bad night's sleep? why do I have that crick?
Speaker 1 (35:53.71)
We're going to do it. We're going to do it right here. So we are in the season of what's called the metal element in fall and the organs associated with the metal element are the lungs and the large intestine. They're paired organs. The lungs are yin. The large intestine is yang. We tend to have most of our dense tissue in the yang organs through the back and outside of the body. Kind of like our exoskeleton from, you know, way, way back. So it's like protecting us.
but that's where we tend to house the dense fascia. So we're going to work with Yong, which is large intestine and you know, also helps with epic poops, epic dumps as you say on your shirts. But it makes the shoulder and neck feel great because the large intestine meridian runs from the index finger and up the outside back of the arm over the shoulder and then comes onto the face and
over to the opposite side. It's like, it's splash meridian. So how we're going to do this rep is we're going to take cactus arms and take off my shirt so you can see. So take cactus arms here. And first, I just want you to notice how it feels to bring your elbows back in space and how that feels in the chest. Now take your right hand, wrap it around to the back of your left elbow. Hold the cup of the
Yep.
the elbows in the cup of the hand. So the resistance or the flex here is we're trying to push the arm away from us. This is shortening the muscle. So resist the left arm back in space into the cup of the hand. Now use the right hand to drag the left in front of your face. And it should feel like you're moving through like water or quicksand. Release it. And we go again, flex, push back with that left arm.
Speaker 1 (37:47.98)
Begin to drag it in front of your face, slowly just drag. And when you start to feel the resistance fade, like for me, it's here, then I stop and reset. Flex, lengthen.
Observe, let it go. Yeah, we have our elbow at shoulder height and we're resisting back with the arm as if it could push back to the wall behind us. Keep going with that arm rip. Keep going with the other arm. Yeah, we're going to check in. Resist, keep going. I want to do a solid 10 to 15 reps and then have you check in. Resist back. So keep pushing back. So it's pushing into the cup of the right hand. Our target arm is the left.
Really?
Speaker 1 (38:31.68)
Our helper is the right and we keep moving. should feel like quicksand. I always use that reference because I grew up in the, I was a child of the Gilligan's Island era of quicksand. Resist, drag, and let's do two more on the next one. Just feel the pulse of that resistance at the top. Just feel it. Now move and build it a little bit this time. Keep building that resistance as you come forward, let it go. And one more like that. Push back with the left.
Feel that resistance. Start to move the arm. Keep building it now. Build it, build it, build it. Stop, let go. Relax your shoulders down. Can you see? You may notice yourself, like my shoulder has dropped down a bit.
Wow. Well, I just know that that felt great. And
You need to take a little practice though. We have to finish. Take your cactus. Now pull your left elbow back. Can you see how it's easier to pull the left elbow back in space now?
yeah. yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (39:34.39)
Let's pull here. So we didn't stretch to open here. What we did, we changed the tissue back here so this can contract and naturally bring us space.
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's funny just doing that. I felt my whole body starting to heat up.
Yes. Yes. It's people are surprised because when they hear the term fashion flow, I've joked, it sounds like we're dancing around with ribbons or something, you know, but it's, it's a workout. we move whole body, it's a workout. this, you know, it looks a little like yoga, but it's not. It looks a little like strength training, but it's not, but it gets you strong and it makes you truly flexible, not lengthenable, not, not lengthenable, flexible.
How, so you say you have eight exercises for the upper body, eight for the lower body. Are these all exercises you can do on your own or do you need a partner?
No, all self, it's all self, if you want to use the term stretching, it's all self work. So that's why I teach on Zoom because, you know, most of us want to access exercise at home. You know, most of my clients are like my age 50 and up. I have people in their 70s and 80s doing this work and with, you know, remarkable results because when you are consistent with it, like anything,
Speaker 2 (40:57.794)
Yeah.
Well, body responds, right? You don't eat healthy one meal a week. Right? So if you do a little practice every day, so now I do like 25 minutes, 30 minutes in the morning and I can stay on top of my tissues.
Hmm. I am so curious about this. Let's talk about the lower back because I know that in reading some of your information, seems that the lower back or lower back pain is the number one disability worldwide. how, how, what have you found? How well does some of these
methods or techniques help with lower back pain.
so well and for knees as well, because a lot of us have knee issues. The hamstrings attached to the base of the pelvis and then to the knees. We have three hamstrings, two attached to the outer side of the knee and one to the inner knee. The one that attaches to the inner knee is your plantar fasciitis, meridian, fascial area of the body, relays right down into the arch of the foot.
Speaker 1 (42:09.422)
when you change that fascia, it will change what's happening in the foot because these distal areas are further away areas of the body. We're feeling the pain there, but it's not where it the sources. So we tend to go after the victim of the pain. Even when we go for massage or something, we kind of want to go after it. But that's not where the pain is coming from. The culprit is somewhere else. So X doesn't mark the spot. But we know from the system.
the pain is on the other side of the bone. It's kind of simple to explain it that way. So why we're feeling pain here is not because it's there, it's because this area isn't working well and this is overworking. Yeah, and so yes, we can, to get to the hamstrings, we're gonna just talk about low back. So a lot of us in our culture are kind of like this, we're pitched forward because we sit a lot, as you mentioned. So the hamstrings get stuck.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:08.32)
in a lengthened position at the top, it pulls around the pelvis. They're not able to shorten. So we kind of walk a bit like this. Once we change that fascia and they can shorten, things start to neutralize and it takes the pressure off the low back, but also then changes the setup of the shoulders and changes what's happening in the knees and down to the feet and up into the neck. So it's very holistic because
with one piece or one fabric. And even though there's something going on in one part of the body, when we work everything, just, it all synchronizes really beautifully. But neck pain can be related to the hamstrings, because it's happening to the spine.
Yeah, so you're saying that everything is connected, isn't it?
really and truly is. We can't separate and that's what we have done is like we say, there's something going on in the arm, we need to fix the arm. Well, maybe, but it could be coming from the shoulder. It could be coming from the ribs, you know, there's other things going on. So when we work the bodies a whole, which is why I always do a full body class once a week to make sure my members get that. Then we get the biggest benefits. But having said that, we can go after troublesome areas.
like plantar fasciitis, we can work with that and then continue to do full body work, but dig into those areas that are, know, cause pain is loud. When we don't make it loud, it's like it overtakes. So it's like shouting at us. So we want to go after that and quiet it.
Speaker 2 (44:48.778)
What you claim to have a simple fix to improve our postures while sitting, is that something that you can share with us?
Yeah, well, that the sitting tool that I use just to improve sitting is to use, I don't have it here, but a little myofascial Pilates ball, because what you do is you place it behind your back. And it gives you the tension and compression that we're getting from the ball. It harmonizes the tension compression of the fascial network. So it gives you the support.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (45:29.26)
and it keeps you slightly unstable. So we want to practice being unstable in our bodies because we're not stable beings. We wanna be dynamically instable in our movements in ways so that we can respond better in life. So it gives us this little compression that synchronizes what's happening and it just makes it easier to sit. So I place a little...
semi-inflated Pilates ball, mostly inflated behind my back when I'm at the computer.
Yeah, Nice. You so you claim you claim that you have a chrono age of 54, but a bio age of 44.
That's what my scale tells me.
Yeah, yeah. And it doesn't surprise me. You know, I look at all the things that you're doing right. And these are things that you've been doing right for years and years. So you've been very consistent with it. And then just to add the fascia flow on top of everything else you're doing, right, the movement, the eating, the relaxation and everything. I think it's
Speaker 2 (46:49.262)
It's not surprising to me that your bio age is 44. You know, I was just home in Cleveland, Ohio with my parents and you know, my father's gonna be 92 this year, Dreena. My mother's 90, she turned 90 in July. And it's pretty remarkable to see two human beings who have...
amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:10.402)
just kind of lived the last 40 years consistently by kind of a certain code and it's paid off. Now the one thing that they both could use, I'm sure, is this fascia flow. And so I'm...
I would love to teach them, help them. yeah.
Well, I'm very, can't wait to let them know about it. Because, you know, when we get into our late 80s and 90s, it seems like you've, you you've mentioned like, it's almost like our, and if it is in fact the fascia that has got us in these weird kind of warped scarred positions that it's like, wow. Yeah.
It is literally holding us in malformed shapes, unfortunately. see people, I can't tell you how many times I've talked to people like at the pool or like older people who are struggling and I want to help them. And unfortunately, sometimes the seniors don't use computers so they don't connect. But like, just really want to like...
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:18.882)
have people feel good in their bodies again, especially, know, when we're doing, like you say, we're living in ways that we know we're doing everything we can. It's frustrating to have these things come up and not have the solutions. You know, it's just, we don't know about it. We've never been taught how to care for the fascia. So when we can't, when we do, we, it's phenomenal what it can bring. Cause first it starts to remove pain and stiffness.
Then you notice like I wasn't playing tennis for a long time. And then I was able to go back because I wasn't having shoulder pain. But then there was one class I taught and we were doing upper body work. It was a shoulder class and I played tennis that day and I was like, I'm on fire. I'm not that great, but I felt like I was doing great because the muscles are working better. So you just start to feel better in your body and feel like it's.
almost that quality of childlike, you know, joy again in your body.
Yeah. What can you tell me about, you say that the fascia is the missing link in fibromyalgia. Do you know like what percentage of North Americans are suffering from fibromyalgia? And it sounds like this may be the thing that can maybe in fact heal them.
Yeah, the statistic I think is in my post and I don't recall it offhand, but know, fibromyalgia is a condition of the connective tissue and there's an inflammation that is widespread in the body. We can work with meridians that one, bring down inflammation and two, are associated with joint health. The kidneys and the urinary bladder line are associated with joint health and bone health.
Speaker 1 (50:14.492)
bone health is big for women, especially in menopause. And it happens to be the meridian that houses the most dense fashion in the body as a whole, which tells me. Energy's not flowing in the fashion. Maybe that energy is not going to that, you know, system that is governing the bones to keep them healthy, but that's, that's another aside. So yeah, we can target certain meridians that help with the inflammation in the body.
Mmm, mmm, mmm.
Speaker 2 (50:44.674)
Yeah, exciting.
It is.
is there, is there anything else that you want to share or talk about fascia fascia flow before I move on to another topic?
you know, I don't know how we're doing for time. It's up to you. I would love to do another demo, but if we, if we're short on time, we won't and we can keep talking. It's up to you.
No, I'm all in on the fascia. So I would love to see another movement slash fascia flow exercise.
Speaker 1 (51:21.688)
So I want to show you something for the hamstrings because it really impacts the body. So I'm just going to move my chair and show you what I'm doing on the mat. I preface this saying that we don't always go to our knees when we do this work in class. Like I'm on my knees right now, but not comfortable to be on the knees. So there are other ways of doing it. But this is a move.
or the central hamstring, which impacts the knee joint. So just as we were doing with the large intestine, when we were doing this, the traditional version of that stretch is here, end range. We started here. So end range for hamstring, what most of us know is doing this. We're stretching, right? You've done it, I know you have. A million times. So we're starting here.
huh.
Speaker 2 (52:14.274)
Yeah, a million times.
the knees over the ankle, can even be ahead of the ankle. And how we're going to activate or flex or engage is pull the heel back on the mat. It's as if you're grooving in sand, you can bring the V of your hand down and even feel the heel pushing into the hand and then you have it. And then you begin to lengthen back while still grooving that heel, pushing it back.
interesting.
and you come back. So we do multiple reps like that. So you can lift the toes, pull heel back, shift the hips back, lengthening. When you start to feel that resistance is going, that's when you stop and you come back and you resist, pull back. You're doing it there, are you?
Cool. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (53:09.036)
this and pull back and you can see my range is not huge. I don't tend to go far into end range. This is where it's really like seductive because we get that, ooh, I feel the stretchy sensation and I don't mind people to stay in the thickness of the resistance. We let the resistance go to come back because if we continue resisting in both directions, we're actually strength training as we go back and it can get fatiguing.
So only resisting as we go back, let it go, resist here.
let it go and we're going to do a few more because then we're going to check in with the knees so you can sense what it feels like
And so I'm pulling back with my heel and I've got my toes kind of up in the air a little bit.
That's right. Yeah, that's right. You can plant the toe. Sometimes I play with that because when I do, I start to feel it in different areas. So there's all kinds of ways to kind of play with the movement, but the sort of starter way is to lift the toes and pull back. And let's say we do two more.
Speaker 2 (54:26.392)
Yeah, yeah, we're getting after it here.
and after and then if you're able bring your knees together and sit on your heels notice if you're to sit back on that side
yeah.
Can you feel the knee is folding better?
Yes, but I was impatient and I worked both sides.
Speaker 1 (54:48.43)
I love it. All good. So that's what happens is the hamstring allows us to sit back like this. So I used to teach yoga and we think we'd have to stretch here to sit like this. What you do is fix the hamstrings, not fix but change them. I love that you got excited though.
Yeah.
yeah. What are your thoughts on rollers? I know I have a lot of friends that roll.
I mean, they're a good tool if you can enjoy it. Sometimes it's just very uncomfortable. So when we're rolling or working with that superficial fashion we talked about, the trouble I guess with working with the rollers is it's uncomfortable and often most of us go too big with it. We want to go after that X marks the spot again. It's not where the pain's coming from. So we're going after the victim.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (55:47.416)
instead of the culprit. The other thing is we go into hard, so we can get some temporary relief, but we wanna go into the fascia much less than we think because the fascia is protecting us. And if it feels threatened and we're going in with the roller hard, it's actually going to grip and resist and not allow us in.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:11.936)
Right. Yeah. Well, this has been fascinating. Now, like what can people, the people that are as excited as I am about FasciaFlow, what can they do? Where can they go to find out more?
Yeah, so my site is fascia, F-A-S-C-I-A, flow without a W fasciaflowfllo.com. And if they sign up there, they'll get some intro, like an intro sequence of just try out a few moves and that will come to their email. And then if they decide they want to join, they can do that. They can also reach out to me with questions because I'm always there for my members and for people. Like it's a big.
of what I do to help the community in my classes. Like I love my community and if they're having something going on with their knee or shoulder I want them to tell me so I can help them and say you need to work with these flows. So they can always email me but basically go to my site fashionflow.com
Yeah, wonderful. So I would be remiss if we didn't talk a little bit about food and some recipes. So my first question to you is,
Is there any particular, you know, just so the listener knows, we're recording this right now at the end of September. And I'm wondering if there's any particular foods or recipes that you're particularly excited about as we enter this season of 2025.
Speaker 1 (57:57.208)
Wow. Well, I love this because I'm going to go back to fall and the metal element. There are certain foods that are really good this time of year that send energy, chi, to the lungs and help clear stuff out of the lungs and really help our system and our immunity. So in Chinese medicine, they're called like pungent foods, white foods. So if you go to the market, you're going to see some of these things in season right now, like cauliflower, which actually kind of looks like our lungs if you invert a cauliflower.
It looks a bit like lungs, right?
Yeah, and you cut it in half.
Exactly. right? It's nature's so cool, right? It's so beautiful. So pungent foods like garlic and onions, white foods like apples and pears, these are the seasonal foods that are actually really good for us this time of year. But we also want to move into more cooked foods because the body doesn't do so well with a lot of cold raw foods this time of year like we did in summer. And sometimes it's hard for us to let go of that.
I'm one of those people, love summer. So I go into a little bit of mourning this time of year, which is also grief is associated with the season, but it's hard to let go of the phases of eating sometimes in the summer. So we want to get into a little more warming cook foods. So I I'm all about like stews and soups and quick ways of getting vegetables and legumes in pots. Yeah, that's kind of my thing. Like that's my favorite thing to make.
Speaker 2 (59:31.054)
You had an Instagram post on September 1st and you said, by all these lovely tokens, September days are here. And it's a quote by Helen Hunt Jackson. And I really, you know, I too, I so feel the seasons. You know, one of the things that I've missed about being in Austin, Texas, as opposed to Cleveland, Ohio is the distinct
you know seasons between spring summer winter and fall is still is still ninety one degrees here right
It's hard because you're still in, again, coming back to the cyclical nature, young seasons are spring and summer. So you're still very much in that young season when really we're coming into what's called yin seasons, which is a more downward energy where we go inside. But it's hard to almost bring the body there when it's still hot out. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I was reviewing your Instagram channel and I, I think it was your Instagram and, maybe it was your blog. No, it was your, it was some of your blog recipe posts on, on Dreena Burton, your, website. And there's just a couple of recipes I want to just throw out to you because I, I, I found them to be. Yeah. So the first was I never nutritional yeast soup. Like I've, mean, I like nutritional yeast, but like a soup.
I know it sounds, actually it sounds a little odd and maybe a little gross when you think of it that way. But so this was a recipe that came from Let the Meat Vegan many years ago, like 2011 that book came out. And it's basically, you know, a simple mix of standard veggies we have like celery, onions, carrots, and then beans go into the soup, white beans and chickpeas. And it's a blended soup.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25.678)
but I put in a good dose of nutritional yeast. Like I think it's a half cup. You could use more and it's blended. And one of my recipe testers back then, she said, Trina, this reminds me of a soup, an Italian soup we used to have when like I was a child. And I was like, that's really cool. And she said, I love this soup. And I never thought it was like a really, I don't know, like novel idea, but apparently it is. Not a lot of people put nutritional yeast in soups. So.
It's quite good, though, if you like nutritional yeast, not everyone.
Yeah. Well, I'm sure it gives it a bit of a nice consistency and a little bit of a cheesy kind of, you know, note here and there. Yeah. It's interesting because, you know, I have a line of chilies and stews that are part of plant strong foods. And one of them are creamy white bean chili. We do have nutritional yeast in there to kind of help give it that, you know, that, creaminess, maybe a little bit of umami.
See.
Speaker 2 (01:02:25.87)
What about you have a nut-free, oil-free pesto? What are the major ingredients that allow that to happen?
seeds.
Actually, I don't mind pumpkin seeds, I can't remember the last time. The last time I saw a pumpkin seed was last Halloween when I was carving pumpkins.
I love them because one, tend to be a lot more, you know, they're in more inexpensive than say almonds or cashews, but they're also higher in protein. And I know we don't need to, you know, focus on the protein, but if it's something you're looking to do, if you're working out and such, punkazies are higher sorts of protein than like almonds. And I do believe in peanuts as well. And they're often far less allergenic for people.
Again, cheaper and have zinc and other great minerals and nutrients and their flavor's more neutral. So for people who want to cook nut-free and they tend to go to sunflower seeds, I find they have a stronger flavor. Pumpkin seeds are like, they're magic to me. I love them. I use them in nut cheeses, but I make pumpkin cheese instead of cashew. I blend them into all kinds of things. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43.212)
Hmm. I like that. And then what are you using basil? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What do you what do you use for your nut free vegan queso?
yeah, basil, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02.198)
I was going to bring that one up. I'm glad you do. love that one. Again, it's pumpkin seeds and it's got some veggies in there. I just throw it all into the blender because sometimes people will cook their veggies first. But if you get it into a high speed blender, starts to cook everything in the blender. You don't even need to put that queso on the stove. It's just in the blender and you put it on soup mode. So it cooks the queso in the blender and it's pumpkin seeds.
Yeah, some of the veggies, seasonings. I add a little bit of coconut milk, but I know some people don't love using coconut products, so they could use another form of plant milk, like soy milk. I like soy milk a lot because it's really rich and creamy. And a lot of the plant-based milks have a lot of added stuff to them. So when you can get the natural, just, you know, one ingredient milk and it's already rich and creamy, then it's a great thing to use.
Hmm
Speaker 2 (01:05:00.205)
Yeah.
We need your plant-strong products up in Canada.
I would, I know I would love to make that happen. Yesterday I was making a chili cornbread and the recipe called for, one of those little ramekins of applesauce. And I saw that you have an oil-free baking and you say, if you're sick of applesauce, try this. What am I trying instead of applesauce that's going to take my baking to the next level?
Sweet potato.
Sweet potato. Sweet.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35.636)
I use them in salad dressing. use them in everything. I mean, honestly, they're like a gift from the heavens.
I love that. You have a three bean curry soup and you have a little hack, if you will, so you don't overcook your greens. this is something that I just kind of naturally have done over the years, but you actually made the observation and you talk about it. So please share with our audience what they can do.
So you've got that, you know, this tummy ears, your soups and stews or any kind of, know, hearty casserole or dish and it's piping hot. So something like spinach, for instance, just, you can put it in whole at the base of your bowl or do a little julienne, put it in the base of your bowl, ladle on your hot stew and it will sit without overcooking it. Cause if you're putting-
It goes gray. goes, you know, and if it's something like kale, might need a little more time. So what I sometimes do is kale is just stir a little bit through and then get it right into the pot, right into the serving bowl. Make sure I take out the kale with the stew and get it right in the serving bowl. You don't even need to cook it. Just warm it. It's more, kale's far more digestible that way.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:58.712)
Yeah. And I actually find that even with kale, whether it's the dinosaur kale or the curly kale, I don't mind it if it's, you know, not completely cooked. It's fine. Yeah. What about, so you have, you're very braggadocious about something called your Ninja Creamy Ice Cream. And I have no idea what that is.
Well, that's again, because it includes that very fabulous ingredient called sweet potato. So in that one, I use the yellow sweet potato, which I think in the States you call them the Hannah sweet potato. They're like the yellow flesh. we have our sake, which are kind of purple on the outside and yellow on the inside. But when you cook them, there's a little darkness. They're kind of blackish and are yellow on the outside. And when you cook them, they're gorgeously yellow inside. So that's what's in my.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:50.746)
Ninja creamy recipe, because the reason I created that one is for people who say every vegan ice cream recipe has banana. Every nice cream recipe has banana. Yeah. Doesn't have to not doesn't have to. So I use the yellow sweet potato and it's creamy. adds texture. adds sweetness, but it doesn't taste like banana.
Mmm. Yeah, sometimes it's nice to get away. listen I I tell people I think in another life I was I was a horse because I love oats so much and I was a monkey because I could I could eat 15 bananas a day
I love that you like them frankly though.
I don't. like them like really like, you know, you got to be able to peel them and they can't taste like chalk, but yeah, I like a green banana. Yeah.
I like it also, not super frankly, but like frankly, and I'm just like, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:08:49.119)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, no.
out. Dreena, how is cricket your dog?
think she was behind the door there. She's a sweetheart. Can I just go see if she's there?
We would love to see her. Yeah.
I've got both of them. So because my life isn't busy enough, we decided to rescue two dogs from Mexico. And this is Miss Cricket. Rocky has run away. And she was dragged by a motorcycle. She was pulled on the road.
Speaker 2 (01:09:13.006)
Speaker 2 (01:09:28.847)
Speaker 1 (01:09:37.997)
purposely by, you know, some horrible person dragged her on the road on a motorcycle. And the video went viral in Mexico, the abuse. And then we found this local group in Vancouver who do adoptions through Mexico. And I saw her and I was like, oh my God, I need cricket. And then she wasn't available. And we adopted another little guy, Rocky, who just ran up.
stairs he's still very scared he's available again and she is the easiest sweetest dog who was horribly abused but she's a little angel
How long have you had cricket?
They came June 11th, the two of them came the same time. we the cat and two dogs. And that's a lot.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I love you've got a huge, huge beating heart. It's a beautiful one. So if I'd love to close out our our conversation today with a quote from your mother, would you like me to do that? Or would you like to do that?
Speaker 1 (01:10:58.094)
she, yeah, she in the hospital, I can do it. She was one of the doctors came in and was talking to her and she was, you know, awake, very drowsy, but she spoke really, really clearly. And, he said, you have a lot of love around you.
Mmm.
She said yes, she said,
respect in life she said always respect everyone we all breathe the same air to have a good friend you must be a good friend and yeah and the love you give is the love you get and she said it very slowly and just clearly
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:11:58.464)
And it just, everyone was in the room, just quiet and taking it in, you know, treat everyone with respect. We all breathe the same air. The love, the love we get to be, to have a good friend. You have to be a good friend. Pretty, pretty powerful words. Yeah.
Mm.
Speaker 2 (01:12:16.332)
And I was like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:12:20.246)
Yeah. Those are, those are perfect sentiments and we need more of that right now everywhere in the world. Big time. The love you give is the love that you get. love it. all right. Well, Dreena, I have loved having you back on the podcast, sharing your latest and greatest passion, the fashion flow. And, you know, as we head out,
I'm gonna be hitting it hard. Yeah.
I hope so. Love it. Yes.
Yeah, and just as a reminder, we'll be sure to put all this in the show notes for today's episode, but where can people go again to find you, whether it's Instagram, your website, all that stuff?
Yeah, so my recipe website is my name, dreenaburton.com, fasciaflo.com, just fasciafllo.com, and then I'm on Instagram, YouTube, everything with my handles, dreenaburton everywhere, pretty much, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13:27.342)
right, Dreena, I think you know the drill, but I need you to give me a PLANTSTRONG fist bump on the way out. Dreena, keep it PLANTSTRONG. Thank you. PLANTSTRONG sister from Vancouver.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42.775)
Thank you, Rip. Always such a pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Absolutely.
Dreena Burton has once again shown us that she's not just a master in the kitchen, she is a master at helping us live vibrant, healthy lives. I love how her new website, fasciaflow.com, gives us simple, approachable tools to feel better in our own bodies. If you want to learn more, visit fasciaflow.com and there you'll find resources, classes, and guidance to get started immediately.
That is FLO spelled F-L-O and it's an acronym for Flex, Lengthen and Observe. I hope that this conversation has inspired you to think about your body in a whole new way and maybe even roll out a mat and give fascia flow a try. Until next time, let's learn to move freely, feel better in our bodies and of course always, always keep it PLANTSTRONG.
